Episode #14 – Judge Not The Crucifix

In this episode, Lewis and Daniel play Meology vs. Theology, where Dan goes way over his time but, clearly, you cannot judge him. They then answer questions about explaining the the Crucifix to someone suffering from Romaphobia and what it means to have Christ in us.  Once again, they don’t get to Psalm 8, but, of course, you’re getting used to that. Hold on to your hats and judge not the Crucifix.

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8 thoughts on “Episode #14 – Judge Not The Crucifix

  1. Regarding the crucifix controversy you discussed on your program, interesting that while many Christians don’t like seeing Christ on the cross, manger displays get a pass by just about everybody. There’s a corpus either way.

  2. The arguments I heard growing up against the crucifix were1.) that the Roman mass essentially “re-crucifies” Christ (which is true) and 2.) Why is Christ depicted upon the cross when He is no longer on the cross?

  3. Your thoughts on the ten commandments were helpful to hear. As a Christian coming to Lutheranism from a Reformed background, the “disappearance” of the second commandment has caused a sharp intake of breath. This program is helping me to exhale.

  4. I don’t think that your response was good for a catechized reformed type. If you were dealing specifically with “evangelicals”, then you have a point with “romephobia” (I think I spelled that right). However, the Westminster standards are clear,
    “Q. 109. What sins are forbidden in the second commandment?
    A. The sins forbidden in the second commandment are, all devising, counseling, commanding, using, and any wise approving, any religious worship not instituted by God himself; the making any representation of God, of all or of any of the three persons, either inwardly in our mind, or outwardly in any kind of image or likeness of any creature whatsoever; all worshiping of it, or God in it or by it; the making of any representation of feigned deities, and all worship of them, or service belonging to them; all superstitious devices, corrupting the worship of God, adding to it, or taking from it, whether invented and taken up of ourselves, or received by tradition from others, though under the title of antiquity, custom, devotion, good intent, or any other pretense whatsoever; simony; sacrilege; all neglect, contempt, hindering, and opposing the worship and ordinances which God hath appointed.” Making note that the issue is two-fold: making an image of ANY person of the trinity (since you cannot separate the Divine from the human nature of Christ) and 2) Lutherans do not hold to a regulative principle of worship view. Therefore, I do still consider you brothers, for our one hope is Christ, and I am sorry for those who would comment otherwise. Also, I do not think you are “romish” because you are Lutheran. However, I do not think you are correct in your assessment of what is a reformed position concerning the second commandment.

    • We are sorry that some of you were not convinced by our argumentation. While this is regrettable, we can’t go back and change the podcast. If you would like to ask a question regarding any of your concerns, please feel free. We were not answering the question we received from a Reformed perspective; we’re Lutheran. The Church has (almost) always had images involved its divine service, and we have seen no reason to reject that. In fact, historically, the Reformed, following the iconoclasm controversy in the 8th and 9th centuries, were the first and only Christians to protest against them. In typical fashion, Lutherans called those Reformed who were destroying images in the 1500s to account and to stop. Lutherans have, with the catholic Church on earth, retained the use of such images as helpful in directing our praise. We believe that as Christ was made in the image of likeness of God, thus He has ordained all images of Himself to be good and pleasing. We do not worship the image, but rather the one whom the image represents. There is a great difference there. (All this was said in the podcast, in one sense or another, so there was not only _one_ argument made.) According to the 7th Ecumenical Council, though it errs in acceptance of veneration of relics and icons, we hold it allows for such things to be had and to be useful to the Church. However, if these arguments are not enough for you, you may certainly ask more questions. -LP

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